Is it possible to create a toggle action?

[isd]

I would like to have a key which when pressed (and maintained pressed) would display the previous frame of the layer, and when released the display would come back to the current frame.

I don't know how to do this with george. What are the solutions?

[Mads Juul]

I don't think this is possible...
Why not just flip back and forth?
-mads

[isd]

I don't think this is possible...
Why not just flip back and forth?
-mads

Ouch! Not possible to create a toggle action?
Well I guess I only have the solution to do it with autohotkey...^^;

Why not just flip back and forth?
If I say "because I don't like that" I may be laughed at so here are the real reasons
-Because you need 2 buttons for that, and to press 2 times
-because you can't do it correctly on a tablet pc or a cintiq without a keyboard
-because you would like to optimize the actions you do the most (especially when it is not hard to do)
-Because there is a better way to do the same thing.
-Because, well, it is not ergonomic(not a well thought interface design)

Of course the programmers weren't creating the software for animation productivity geeks in the first place but...

[Mads Juul]

Ouch! Not possible to create a toggle action?

By Toogle actions you mean different actions on press and release of a key or modifier or mousebutton?

"because I don't like that"

one of my favorite reasons

[isd]

Yes.
By toggle action I mean, er, you know this thing in photoshop when you press ALT it toggles to the spoit tool, and when you release it you get back to the tool you were using whatever it was ^^

[Mads Juul]

Yes.
By toggle action I mean, er, you know this thing in photoshop when you press ALT it toggles to the spoit tool, and when you release it you get back to the tool you were using whatever it was ^^

I don't think you can customize the alt key in Photoshop.

I don't think you can for instance have the paint bucket on A and then the brush tool on alt-A.(Am I right here?)
Photoshops configuration of keyboard is pretty limited. For intance you can only assign F2 to F9 to the actions anyways

so when you talk of pressing the alt key and get another result.it is part of the program.
Like in TV Paint alt+leftmouse button is the pan zoom window and it's part of the software and you can not change that. what you are suggesting with the "alt go to previous frame and hold it until release" I don't think that it is that big a request that it should be part of the default software. and for should it be no matter what tol you have selected or only when you have the penbrush?

But being able to put one action on the event of pressing the key and another on the event of releasing the key would solve you request. and could be pretty powerfull

-Mads

[isd]

Yes.
By toggle action I mean, er, you know this thing in photoshop when you press ALT it toggles to the spoit tool, and when you release it you get back to the tool you were using whatever it was ^^

I don't think you can customize the alt key in Photoshop.

I don't think you can for instance have the paint bucket on A and then the brush tool on alt-A.(Am I right here?)
Photoshops configuration of keyboard is pretty limited. For intance you can only assign F2 to F9 to the actions anyways

so when you talk of pressing the alt key and get another result.it is part of the program.
Like in TV Paint alt+leftmouse button is the pan zoom window and it's part of the software and you can not change that. what you are suggesting with the "alt go to previous frame and hold it until release" I don't think that it is that big a request that it should be part of the default software. and for should it be no matter what tol you have selected or only when you have the penbrush?

But being able to put one action on the event of pressing the key and another on the event of releasing the key would solve you request. and could be pretty powerfull

-Mads

I talked about the Alt key in photoshop to explain what I mean by toggle.
What I woyuld like in tvpaint is beeing able to customize any key as a toggle key (do something when pressed, and do another thing when released).

I don't know george well enough to know how to put an event on keypress and release... er, I'll look at the help ^^

[Byron]

I know what you mean. Kind of like what they call 'spring loaded' in CS4. You press the 'E' key, for instance, and it switches to the eraser - but if you press and hold the 'E' key, it reverts to the previous tool when you let go. That would be a nice feature in TVP - but even without it, I'm loving the software, having only just started using it.

[isd]

I know what you mean. Kind of like what they call 'spring loaded' in CS4. You press the 'E' key, for instance, and it switches to the eraser - but if you press and hold the 'E' key, it reverts to the previous tool when you let go. That would be a nice feature in TVP - but even without it, I'm loving the software, having only just started using it.

Thanks. I was really feeling alone speaking the merit of the symbols in flash, compositions in AF and toggle features a bit everywhere... I mean, I am not trying to be mean, I am just afraid TVpaint would not get enough user base to survive much longer when you see some features becoming standards everywhere else. I am even more afraid when nobody seems to understand the thing or its merit (or eventually its necessity in regards to the concurrence ^^;).
I mean, if after effects or flash gets suddenly the rich painting features, TVpaint won't have the compositing and interface features(or even the price) to balance the fight. I personnally feel the urge for a structured cascading rendering achitecture which preserves the source for example... but I am not sure anyone has an idea of what I am talking about (lol). Excuse my french.
Well, anyway I have looked at all the help, and on the net to find a documentation for george and nothing. So, well, in the end, I will try that with autohotkey.
I am pondering if I should buy Tvpaint or not. If I buy it now it would be for its rough pencil test and off-pegs features only. But for that only it is a bit expensive and I would rather stay with paper. So financially I would need it to be a little more featured and friendly in other areas too(and especially in the animation production workflow), and I would like some assurance it won't die very soon. A roadmap of the future features would especially help me to decide or give up pretty quickly.
Well, this post became unnecessary long (lol) I should sleep now.

[Elodie]

I am pondering if I should buy Tvpaint or not. If I buy it now it would be for its rough pencil test and off-pegs features only.

I remember you told us by email you would buy TVP animation when you could read the out of pegs... well, we are still waiting your purchase order

and I would like some assurance it won't die very soon.

We are 3 years older than Toonboom and 6 months younger than Photoshop... Please don't imagine such issue after a 19 years-old existence ...

[isd]

I remember you told us by email you would buy TVP animation when you could read the out of pegs... well, we are still waiting your purchase order

It doesn't display correctly yet and is not configurable, and I am still waiting answers you told me would take time to give
But it is because I am seriously considering a purchase that I am testing in depth, just to have an idea the cost-return investment
But I am a bit disappointed to have no return to simple questions such as how to configure an action on a key press and on a key release with george. At least I would like to know if it is impossible or in project, eventually if it will never happen, well something that could help me to choose what I should do next.

ps:It was on this forum not by email(and before I saw the price tag^^;)

[Elodie]

But I am a bit disappointed to have no return to simple questions such as how to configure an action on a key press and on a key release with george. At least I would like to know if it is impossible or in project, eventually if it will never happen, well something that could help me to choose what I should do next.

So here is the answer : no, it's not possible to create an action on a key release at the moment. We note this need, but I don't think we will add it for TVP animation 9.5. =)

[isd]

But I am a bit disappointed to have no return to simple questions such as how to configure an action on a key press and on a key release with george. At least I would like to know if it is impossible or in project, eventually if it will never happen, well something that could help me to choose what I should do next.

So here is the answer : no, it's not possible to create an action on a key release at the moment. We note this need, but I don't think we will add it for TVP animation 9.5. =)

Okay thank you ^^
I will try to do it with autohotkey and if it reveals to be a good feature I will post the autohotkey script on the forum.

[Mads Juul]

I was really feeling alone speaking the merit of the symbols in flash, compositions in AF and toggle features a bit everywhere...

You Are not alone. I'm just pointing out that none of the softwares you are referring to flash,photoshop or After effects is capable of doing this toggle function you are talking about. because it would involving toggling an Action and not a static tool.


the spring loaded keys is also interesting. but I think it wouldn't work for your suggestion because stepping forward and back is not a tool.


But I think being capable of assigning action and scripts to press and release would be a nice feature.

-mads

[isd]

I was really feeling alone speaking the merit of the symbols in flash, compositions in AF and toggle features a bit everywhere...

You Are not alone. I'm just pointing out that none of the softwares you are referring to flash,photoshop or After effects is capable of doing this toggle function you are talking about. because it would involving toggling an Action and not a static tool.


the spring loaded keys is also interesting. but I think it wouldn't work for your suggestion because stepping forward and back is not a tool.


But I think being capable of assigning action and scripts to press and release would be a nice feature.

-mads

I don't remember which soft do that but I think a lot of softwares toggle to the eraser when pressing the button of the pen ro whatever key (depending on the soft). I think Artrage does this also...